Of Name Calling and Reason

I post this thread from facebook to illustrate the differences between how our side argues, and theirs.   Did Dennis resort to a little ridicule?  Oh yes.    I  he did.  ;-)

Here's a long argument.  The names were changed to protect privacy:

James Arness
This terrorist act, by a LONE individual, is the kind of thing liberals will use to try and paint a very broad brush with. The fact of the matter is NO ONE will stand up and in ANY WAY condone this guys actions. But, I don't think that won't stop the libs. I hope I am wrong....but, I doubt it....

Norway suspect deems killings atrocious but needed
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Read 'Norway suspect deems killings atrocious but needed' on Yahoo! News. SUNDVOLLEN, Norway (Reuters) - A suspected right-wing fanatic accused of killing at least 92 people deemed his acts "atrocious" yet "necessary" as Norway mourned victims of the nation's worst attacks since World War Two...

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Snidely Snerd Um James he wasn't a lone individual...he is part of the Progress Party (a group that wants no taxes and smaller government. sound familiar?) in Norway. Oddly enough Tim Philips, one of the heads of the Tea Party, has spoken at several of the Progress Party events. This was a terrorist attack by the Progress Party in Norway...nothing more or nothing less!
Sunday at 9:28am • Like.


James Arness He may be a member of such a group. Did the group provide financial assistance to him to do this? Did they provide terrorist training to him with the goal of killing people I don't think so! I can always count on you to prove me right Snidely. Thanks!
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Doc Holiday Dreamer...!
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Snidely Snerd James if he were a member of a Muslim or liberal group you would be all over this. Funny how you are so ready to claim he worked alone when there has been no investigation. Fact is he is a terrorist with heavy conservative ties...plain and simple. Apparently James you only think someone is a terrorist if they aren't white
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Doc Holiday Snidely, so in your glee believing that this psychopath is a Christian conservative, you want to lump this murderer with all conservatives and Christians. This is the kind of perverted thinking that far left progressives have used for decades to try and further their destructive ideology. I should also point out that there was some tomfoolery in labeling this psychopath as a conservative Christian, but you will certainly ignore such information.

atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/07/who-added-christian-and-conservative-to-norway-shooters-facebook-page-yesterday.html
Sunday at 2:55pm • Like.

Snidely Snerd Doc Holiday...I said he was a Christian when?
Sunday at 3:02pm • Like.

Snidely Snerd He may very well be a Christian...I however don't know that. He absolutely is a member of the Progress Party (a conservative party with very similar ideas to the tea party and associated with Tim Philips). The terrorist attack was directed at the Labor Party ( Norway's liberal). What makes me sick James is everyone else I know is posting notes of support, compassion, and condolences while you decide to play the victim and worry about where the blame will fall. That is disgusting!
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Jonah Goldberg Breivik was a member of the Progress Party 1999 - 2004, but then Ronald Reagan was once a Democrat. Besides, the Progress Party is the second largest in Norway. One recalls that most US domestic terrorists in the 60s derived from Democrat backgrounds or even held office as Democrats (e.g. Tom Hayden, founder/chief ideologue of SDS.) And Leftist cause celebre was a Democrat, too.
Sunday at 3:51pm • Like.

Joy Behar No wait, is James actually posting an event and saying liberals will soon be using it to stereotype republicans??? What a hypocrite, I am pretty sure 90% of his posts are stories, however not as gruesome as this, where he tries himself to lump all democrats together and barbaric, uncivilized, etc. I believe James you also use instances to justify your hate for the Muslim community. You are the biggest hypocrite I know.
Sunday at 5:24pm • Like.

Snidely Snerd ‎"if one man can show so much hatred, imagine how much love ALL of us could show". A quote from one of the survivors of this terrorist massacre. Something for James and his tea party ilk to think about.
Sunday at 6:10pm • Like • 1 person.

James Arness April and Snidely clearly cannot see their obvious hypocrisy. I, and conservatives in general have been accused of stereotyping teachers and Muslims based on the actions of many. In this case you have the act of one. But, it is perfectly appropriate
In your eyes to stereotype........you both are really quite unbelievable in your intellectual inconsistency.

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Snidely Snerd James I merely Presented the facts...so what stereotype am I telling here?
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Snidely Snerd The fact is James, instead of showing sorrow and compassion for the people of Norway...you posted this. For that you are a horrible person!
Yesterday at 6:08am • Like • 1 person.

James Arness Sorrow and compassion for the victims of this, and all terrorist acts go without saying......I thought. And instead of just admitting your own hypocrisy, you call me a horrible person. CLASSY Snidely, real CLASSY.
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Joy Behar So then James, you think it is okay to blame Christians for the holocaust? This was not the act of a single Christian but many.
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Joy Behar I agree with Snidely, you are a horrible person because you are filled with so much hate. I am frankly surprised more of your republican or Christian friends don't speak out against your words.
Yesterday at 7:46am • Like.

Anita Bryant I of course the liberals will focus on RIGHT wing and avoid the fact the Democrats are using our DEBT as a political gain for their party as Hussein CRASHES and BURNS AmGeorgea!
Yesterday at 7:51am • Like.

Joy Behar Anita, a majority of AmGeorgeans side with president Obama on the debt crisis. The only one who will crash and burn are republicans at the ballot boxes.
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Snidely Snerd Anita...and what does what happened in Norway have to do with the debt crisis? Now go back to your klan rally. James you accuse me of using stereotypes here...well I am waiting for you to tell me what they are? I was accused of claiming this man was a Christian...but I never did. I know this is hard for you to comprehend..but all I did was present the facts. I think you need to sit down, spend the day reading the bible, and let go of your hate!
Yesterday at 8:23am • Like.

Michele Bachmann It is heartbreaking what happened and I would say this man is a sick individual. To group anyone or any group with him is absurd.Why would you try to tie him with the Tea Party? Just because people have different political views do not make them killers.Tea stands for taxed enough already, it is people who are tired of government mis-managing their tax dollars. Klan rally? Really? You are proving the stereotyping prediction.
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Snidely Snerd Um apparently you are unaware of the racist comments Anita makes on a regular basis. Everything I said about the terrorist is true...he Belongs to the Progress Party in Norway whom Tim Philips has spoken at their events. As far as what the Tea Party stands for...it stands for helping the wealthy and corporations get richer. Nothing the tea party stands for helps the average middle class person. You have just been duped into doing the dirty work for the wealthy!
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Snidely Snerd Here is the point though.,.if this man was Arab or Muslim...the teabaggers would be all over it...and they certainly wouldn't be calling him an individual...you can lie but you know that is a fact.
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James Arness I figure when all anyone can do is say I am a "horrible person" they have nothing intellectually to add. And Snidely and April, like they have shown themselves prone to do in other discussions, have nothing other than insults and throwing around judgments when they would claim to be as all good liberals are supposed to be: tolerant and non-judgmental. The fact of the matter is that we are all sinners and explains all of the problems we collectively have. It really is no more complicated than that.

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Snidely Snerd James let's look at the facts. I look at all my liberal and some of my conservative friends FB page and they post things live "our parers are with you Norway" or other such things. Now you decide to post crap that tries to make you and the right wingers look like victims in all this. That is disgusting. If you don't want to be called a horrible person...don't act like one!
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Inigo Montoya Just noticed something about April and Snidely. Every single point they seem to be making has to do with James being a "horrible person," "biggest hypocrite I know," etc. etc. etc....not being a friend of Snidely, I don't know what his Facebook profile says. April specifically says she's into being non-judgmental.

The message seems to be one of "Hey! You people don't get to pass judgment on what things like this mean, that's for us to do!"

Liberals. They say they want a world in which everyone is equal. That's really the last thing they want. They want stratification, they want rankings, they want layers of people, they want castes and ranks. Above all, they want special privileges that others don't have and cannot get.
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George Clooney You all crack me up, thank you for giving me the enjoyment of watching educated society revert to name calling. Everyone has their own ideas and beliefs but no one is willing to understand there is a line for a reason. I will never invite any Republicans out for luncha and most Republicans should never invite me to dinner. April and James, just give up on James, he says you all sound un-educated but he keeps breaking his own mirro. Great job all, thank you all for dinner and a show. April you rule!!!
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Inigo Montoya Thank you George, for proving the point I just made.
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George Clooney Lol, not even close but nice try, wait to twist words like a true Republican. Have a great day and better luck next time.
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Inigo Montoya You mean "WAY to twist words like a true Republican"?

You know it's funny. I've never once met a prog who could say "I think this, but I can see how a perfectly reasoned person might think something else." Unless you're talking about not believing in Muhammed...

Other than that, if you disagree with a prog, or if you even hesitate a little too long in agreeing, or don't agree exuberantly, you're

"slope-foreheaded"
bigoted
intolerant
racist
sexist
homophobe
clinging to your Bible and your guns
ignorant
small-minded
closed-minded
unimaginative
a Sith
two-dimensional
smell funny
breeder
poorly educated
Dunning-Kruger
snips
snails
puppy-dogs tails

And everything else.

And here I can remember just a few years ago, John Kerry said the whole problem was not enough "nuance." Guess that talking point went by the wayside...today's lefty-loosies live in a monochromatic world of either-or.
19 hours ago • Like • 1 person.

George Clooney I can see your point and you are right about "either-or". My judgment was off and i apologize. Great talking point.
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James Arness George: I welcome you! But, I don't get you. At no point (I think) have I implied that anyone is uneducated or stupid. To do so would be unduly judgmental on my part. And I don' get the mirror comment.....clearly I'm not as bright as you give me credit. April: I don't hate Muslims. I think their faith is based on a false prophet and pray for their collective conversion.
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Snidely Snerd Ah yes another republican trying act like a victim. Let me point out some facts for you. For the last 6 months right wingers have called liberals and the protesters scum, dirt bags, free loaders, libtards (one of the most offensive I have heard), thugs, etc.. A lawyer in Indiana advocated using live ammunition. A young man named Blake Gober who works for the republican party of Dane county told me personally that there is a special place in hell for the protesters. Now after that you are trying to tell me that if someone does or says something racist I can call them a racist because that is being intolerant. If some does something horrible I can say it is horrible. How about this instead. If you don't want me to call you a racist, stop acting racist. If you don't want me to call you stupid, stop being or saying stupid things. If you don't want to be called uneducated, stop acting uneducated. But first and foremost...stop acting like a victim!!!!!!
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James Arness Boy has this discussion gone all over the place. I agree with what a lot of what you just dais Snidely. But what had become clear to me over time is that the definitions of what it means to be racist, what it would mean to be "uneducated" has changed. In this time all that one must do is disagree with liberals and then one automatically is a racist, an islamophobe, homophobe, etc. It is a sad fact, bur a fact nonetheless :(
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Joy Behar I judge those for judging others. Yes, this is true and have made this confession months ago. I have no reserve when it comes to judgemental people. Look at Jamess and Anitas past post. I have reason for my words. Now James, do you believe we should blame christians for the holocaust?
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Snidely Snerd James I have NEVER called anyone a name for merely disagreeing with me. I didnt call Anita a racist because she disagreed with me...it was because she said racist things. And you defended her. But back to the point James...I called you a horrible person because you took the opportunity to use the terrorist act in Norway to try and make republicans seem like victims...which in my opinion is much worse than anything the "zombie protesters" (who you wasted no opportunity to trash and name call) ever did!
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Joy Behar Anita recent posts... "HE'S MUSLIM IS SHE FIGHTING ABOUT THE FACT HE'S MORE ALIGNED WITH HIS MUSLIM BROTHERS LIVING IN THE MIDDLE EAST THAN HIS 100% WHITE MOTHER? HALF WHITE HALF WHITE HALF WHITE SHUT HER UP! HE'S MUSLIM NOT African AmGeorgean...I THINK YOUR INSULTING THE WHITE RACE BY NOT ACKNOWLEDGING HIS MOTHER WHO BIRTHED HIM...WHITE"

"....don't call his bluff...he's gone back to his Chicago thug roots! True color shining through!"
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Joy Behar Inigo: I noticed your profile said your political views are "absolute middle" yet you are a fan of waterboading and Atlas Shrugged. I love when people consider themselves independent when actually they really aren't. Maybe by middle you meant between Republican and Conservative or maybe between Republican and Tea Party...
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Snidely Snerd Atlas Shrugged...by Ayn Rand who was against Christians as she felt religion was for the weak minded. Also was against things like welfare and medicare yet later in life she was more then willing to collect money from the government from such programs. Wonderful Role-Model
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Dennis Miller Snidely, I am a Tea Party member and we would absolutely reject any action like this. Any member even talking in this direction would be made most unwelcomed by any of the people I know in the movement, and I know many.

All that being said, may I draw your attention to this:

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621 (scroll down, it is lengthy with example after example)

Safe to say most people here probably voted for Obama, so by your logic, I assume it is safe to say that you, as an Obama voter, completely condone these signs.

Just making sure.

Death Threats Against Bush at Protests Ignored for Years • zomblog
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the zombietime blog..

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Snidely Snerd oh and lets not forget April....Inigo is a fan of "Hooters" and the Boy Scouts
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Dennis Miller Oh, the irony:

"Anita...and what does what happened in Norway have to do with the debt crisis? Now go back to your klan rally. James you accuse me of using stereotypes here...well I am waiting for you to tell me what they are? "

On second thought, maybe comedy DOES write itself.
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Snidely Snerd actually Dennis....I believe very few people her voted for Obama...but think what you want. Explain to me how it is that you come to the conclusion that because I voted Obama would mean I condone any of those signs. I wonder does that mean you condone all the racist Obama signs at Tea Party Rallies?
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Snidely Snerd Oh and Dennis...you are also jumping to conclusions...the Klan reference was made because of all the racist things Anita has said in the past
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Joy Behar Dennis, Snidely was not stereotyping tea party members, he was making a point about Anita as an individual. If I were you, or any member of the tea party I would not want her to represent me.
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Joy Behar The truth is if you haven't read previous debates, you won't understand where I am coming from. I completely understand why those who haven't been involved would think I am judgmental, resorting to name calling, etc. Constanly defending those who have done no wrong is tiresome.
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Inigo Montoya What are these "racist Obama signs at Tea Party Rallies," Snidely? I don't recall having seen a single one, although I might have missed something...
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Snidely Snerd yes you did miss them obviously
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Dennis Miller ‎" This was a terrorist attack by the Progress Party in Norway...nothing more or nothing less!" - Snidely Snerd

"Now you decide to post crap that tries to make you and the right wingers look like victims in all this."- Snidely Snerd (Same thread!)

Well, I admit. I don't know Anita. And since we have black tea partiers SPEAKING at our events, if she's really racist she'd probably be a bit uncomfortable with us.

"because I voted Obama would mean I condone any of those signs. I wonder does that mean you condone all the racist Obama signs at Tea Party Rallies?"

Oh, maybe perhaps because you said this?

"Oddly enough Tim Philips, one of the heads of the Tea Party, has spoken at several of the Progress Party events. This was a terrorist attack by the Progress Party in Norway...nothing more or nothing less!"

Well that sounds pretty much like a blanket damning to me, I don't know.

But really. Who in the world could POSSIBLY get the impression, from that, that you were insinuating that the tea party (or even the "progress party", which I frankly know nothing about) is really just a bunch of terrorists? How? I'm clueless. Are you clueless? Because boy, I'm sure clueless. I only got me a couple o' them thar college edumacated degrees, but mebbe I dinut go t' d' right skuuls, or sumpin'.
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Snidely Snerd ah yes...we have black tea party members...always love that arguement
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Inigo Montoya April, I'm not sure what these previous debates are, but it seems to me you're advocating a brand of non-judgmental-ism you yourself are not willing or able to practice. Truth be told, you've not had much to say here that doesn't seem to spiral inward to this common compass-point of being able to judge someone and find them in error in some way. Certainly very little or nothing by way of how to solve or prevent problems. Now, I'm all in favor of taking new information into account, but I consider it an optional exercise if it doesn't alter the outcome...and I don't see how anything is going to change my conclusion about you. You advocate that people refrain from judging each other, but left to your own devices you judge, judge, and judge some more. As far as I can tell, that pretty much nails it. Right?
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Snidely Snerd so basically what you are saying Inigo....you will think what you want to think...regardless of the facts.....nicely done sir
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Inigo Montoya Well, if by that you mean I'm not going to allow you to dictate what I'm supposed to conclude, then yes. But you're certainly allowed, in fact invited, to present facts if you think they'll have a bearing on my decision.
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Inigo Montoya So let's see those signs, Snidely.
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Snidely Snerd they are already there....you just chose not to see them
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Snidely Snerd just like the racist obama signs
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Inigo Montoya Show 'em.
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Snidely Snerd um...already sent one to you dude
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Snidely Snerd would you like to see more?
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Inigo Montoya So far, I'm not impressed. When are you going to show me something?
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Snidely Snerd as I already stated...I already sent you one.
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Dennis Miller Yeah, so do I. Because ... if we were a bunch of racists -- why would we have them, and why would they have us? [ed. This must be the comment where Snidely thought I was saying I’d gotten a link from him. I was responding to Snidely’s “ ah yes...we have black tea party members...always love that arguement"]

To wit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcsnWLLdl70

Explain it. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Response to Olbermann: "People of color" at Tea Parties
www.youtube.com

UPDATE: More than 31,000 views in 2 days http://randyhaddock.com/post/401908459/more-than-31-000-views-in-2-days So last night that race-peddlin' buffoon ove.....

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Snidely Snerd well hell......some of my friends are black
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Inigo Montoya I haven't received anything. So far, you've done a lot of posturing but you haven't brought anything that would change a reasonable mind toward your point of view. Just lots of posturing.
15 hours ago • Like.

Snidely Snerd you should probally check your private messages....sent it to you four times
15 hours ago • Like.

Dennis Miller Seriously, Snidely. I've been to several tea party events and I've never seen one racist sign. Unless, of course, you deem any sign that casts Obama in any negative light whatsoever "racist".
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Snidely Snerd sent it to you Dennis also...but I could be wrong...maybe you are okay with calling the president a "N#$$er” [ed. The sign, which April later posted the link to, did NOT call the president any such thing. He was calling himself, the tax payer, a, as Snidely said, “N#$$er”. Even so, he was booted from the event by other tea partiers]
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Inigo Montoya I'm not seeing anything, Snidely. Which isn't to say you haven't sent anything. Since either the system's busted or I'm too dim to check it, why not post it here? If you're right, then the situation is serious enough it would be quite appropriate.
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Snidely Snerd um because I can't post links here
15 hours ago • Like.

Inigo Montoya I'm calling you out for some specifics and it's ending up just like the joke about the hot air balloon...you can't post anything, and it's somehow all my fault! :-)
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Snidely Snerd I can't post HERE....not sure what part of that you aren't comprehending
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Dennis Miller Funny, I can post links. It's amazing what you can do when you know what you're talking about.
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Snidely Snerd if you look.....I am not friends with James....he has his security settings so that because of that I cannot post here...simple if you think about it
15 hours ago • Like.

Dennis Miller Nope, not okay with it Snidely, nor are any in my group.
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Snidely Snerd really...because he is a tea party member...would you like to see more?
15 hours ago • Like.

Joy Behar Inigo- you are more than welcome to judge me for judging others for judging (: read up on some more of Jamess post and perhaps you will see. It is literally tiresome defending myself and others because individuals who are constantly hating on others.
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Inigo Montoya ‎Dennis, isn't it funny how whenever you ask a moonbat to bring it, something ALWAYS goes wrong?
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Snidely Snerd not my fault you don't know how to check your messages Inigo...Dennis was able to do it [ed. Where did I say that?]
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Inigo Montoya April, I'll say this. As long as you're around and Alyssa Milano keeps her hair long, there are TWO liberal females who are good looking.
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Inigo Montoya What can I say, Snidely. These computer things. They're so tough to figure out.
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Snidely Snerd and your point is what Inigo
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Snidely Snerd apparently
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Dennis Miller Sure he's not a "Crash the Tea Party" member? Oh yeah. Google it.

Google: "Crash The Tea Party" ... do it. See, I read "Rules for Radicals, too". You know what we do when people like that show up? We have signs. "Imposter" "Not With Us" "Crasher" and we block their signs with ours. Now the only one I've seen was some whacked out conspiracy theorist sign, but an N word sign would have
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Dennis Miller I don't know James from Adam, and I can post links. Maybe he's blocked you, specifically? He lets you comment, but not post links? I'd be shocked if facebook security was that sophisticated. But I could be wrong. I'd still be shocked.
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Dennis Miller as I was saying ... but an N word sign would have would have been treated the same, or worse.
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Inigo Montoya www.google.com/

Google
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15 hours ago • Like.

Inigo Montoya Whoa! Amazing!
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Snidely Snerd well as I stated on cannot post link on James's pages.....simple as that
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Dennis Miller Ok. I believe you. For whatever reason.

Fact remains, I can.

http://biggovernment.com/bowens/2010/07/15/think-progress-caught-using-liberal-manufactured-signs-from-crash-the-tea-party-as-evidence-of-tea-party-racism/

» Think Progress Caught Using Liberal-Manufactured Signs From ‘Crash the Tea Party’ as Evidence of T
biggovernment.com

Do you remember the abortive “Crash the Tea Party” movement? It was the brainchild of a liberal that explicitly called for progressives to commit fraud in order to attempt to discredit the Tea Party protests...

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Snidely Snerd funny...that website offers no actual evidence. Btw...the man holding the sign I sent you...is a KNOWN tea party member....and does a lot of work for them...nice try though
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Inigo Montoya ‎"that website offers no actual evidence..."

I believe there is something intellectually, institutionally busted with the Far Left, and has been for a very long time, like half a century.

Leftists typically don't prove things. Something is constantly going wrong. Remember that crackpot gun history researcher who said water damage got on his notes, and was expose as a fraud? Something is always, constantly, going wrong.

Here's Snidely saying he can't post links. But he could prove his point if he could! But he can't. Dennis posts a link. Snidely says -- predictable as a sunrise -- "That don't prove nothing!" As if the argument was about me and Dennis trying to convince Snidely of something...

You lost track, dude. YOU are trying to show US some evidence to convince US. How come arguing with progs, always seems to go this way? We're just supposed to presume you're right as rain in all things, some anonymous guy on the Internet, and if we don't just fold and believe everything you say then you get to call us jerks or something...meanwhile you're presenting not a damn thing, just doing a lot of posturing.
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Snidely Snerd Yet again Inigo....not my fault you do not know how to check your messages...Dennis was able to do so [ed again, I was not, and never said I was]
15 hours ago • Like.

Inigo Montoya Right Snidely. It's my fault for being a rube. Dog ate your homework I guess.
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Snidely Snerd btw...I didn't say don't prove anything....said the website offers no actual evidence...makes claims without backing them up
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Inigo Montoya Whatever. Dennis's presented something and you haven't.
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Snidely Snerd well lets see Dennis got it...saw it..and commented. [ed. Snidely clearly misread a post somewhere]
15 hours ago • Like.

Inigo Montoya April, you get your news from the Daily Show?
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Joy Behar I hope you are all watching the Colbert report. Conservative media called this attack Muslim born. Hypocrisy with true humor.
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Snidely Snerd um....I am looking...I don't see where April said she gets her news from the Daily Show....still looking....still looking
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Inigo Montoya I had a question mark on the end Snidely. If you get to split hairs, I do as well. I was just asking.
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Snidely Snerd well considering it is a comedy show....wasn't really a relevant question
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Snidely Snerd do you get your comedy from Fox News?
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Snidely Snerd oh wait....nvm
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Inigo Montoya The fact that it's a comedy show, makes it a very relevant question.
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Snidely Snerd the real question is....isn't it about time for you to head to your local "Hooters"?
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Inigo Montoya Got a problem with Hooters, Snidely?
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Inigo Montoya And the Boy Scouts? What are your problems?
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Inigo Montoya And what's the beef with people like me, whose political views are absolutely in the middle of the road? A little moderation would be good for these times in which we live, yes?
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Snidely Snerd a business that makes money by parading half-naked woman around...yup got a problem with that
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Inigo Montoya Those women are fully clothed.
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Snidely Snerd you are not anywhere near the middle....but keep telling yourself that
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Snidely Snerd uh huh.....
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Inigo Montoya No really, they are. They are legally clothed, in any city or state you care to name. So what's your problem? Don't think women should be out in public?
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Snidely Snerd so if you had a daughter...of course you would encourage her to work there
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Inigo Montoya ‎"Taliban Snidely," that's my new name for you.
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Snidely Snerd Inigo the Perv....maybe. Especially after the creepy comment you made to April....I think you are starting to show your true colors Inigo
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Snidely Snerd but I am sure you go to "Hooters" for the delicous food
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Inigo Montoya True colors? Yes. I appreciate women who look nice.
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Snidely Snerd there is a difference...you haven't answer my question though
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Inigo Montoya Why would I answer your questions, Snidely? Last I checked, you were trying to convince me and Dennis that the Tea Party is racist.
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Inigo Montoya And now you're doing what progs always do when they lose arguments. Changing the subject to something else. Hooters.
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Snidely Snerd nice way trying to change the subject
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Snidely Snerd which arguement did I lose?
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Joy Behar James, still waiting for the answer to my question. Can we blame Christians for the holocaust? If you truly aren't a bigot you'd have to say yes to justify your comments of the Muslim community.
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Snidely Snerd tell you what Inigo...good "racist tea party signs" and go to the 9 link down
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Inigo Montoya You said there were racist Obama signs at a Tea Party rally. Then you said you sent a link as a private message...I checked, there was no such PM, that's supposed to be somehow MY problem...you protested that you can't post links here...Dennis and I both posted links, proving you're either wrong or lying...then you changed the subject to Hooters. And I have no idea what you're trying to prove there.
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Snidely Snerd don't know what to tell you Inigo...Dennis saw it just fine
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Inigo Montoya Hey look, a link.
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5369/hootersprotest9ts.jpg

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5369/hootersprotest9ts.jpg
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Inigo Montoya One of my favorite pics.
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Inigo Montoya Says it all.
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Snidely Snerd but I can only assume then that you would encourage your daughter to work at Hooter...kinda creepy
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Snidely Snerd btw...I made that comment because of the ridiculousness of asking April if she got her news for the Daily Show
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Snidely Snerd try to keep up Inigo
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Inigo Montoya Yup. Which only helps to ensure when I go to Hooters, people like you won't be there.

Hmmm...yeah...
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Inigo Montoya Oh yes, I know all about this. I don't agree with you about the Tea Party (you've presented NO evidence at all to justify your position)...so I must be stupid in some way.

That's a liberal for you in 2011. Everyone has to agree with him, or they're dumb.
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Snidely Snerd well....I dont typically choose my restaurants by how short the waitresses shorts are....
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Inigo Montoya So funny. All you have to do is insist that a prog justify his position with evidence -- not emotionalism, but hard evidence. Draw a hard line, right in the sand, the way a judge would. And their arguments just crumble, completely. "Oh, uh, I can't post links...uh, the dog ate it."
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Joy Behar Inigo, I assume you are able to view your messages but you are attempting to make Snidely look incompetent. Take it up with James if you want to get links from Snidely. My guess is James blocked him because it's easier to cope not knowing the truth. Maybe you too are better off not knowing.
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Inigo Montoya Waitresses at Hooters wear SHORTS? I hadn't noticed that...
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Snidely Snerd and yet you posted a picture of them wearing shorts...hmmmmm
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Inigo Montoya Well, I think you might be right April. All I know is, I haven't blocked Snidely from sending me messages, and there's nothing there.
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Inigo Montoya Got a problem with shorts on women, Snidely? You think it should be up to the men to wear the shorts? What, women should be forced to wear slacks or long skirts? Taliban Snidely...
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Snidely Snerd uh huh....keep telling yourself that Inigo
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Snidely Snerd nope...wouldn't got to a restuarant where the male servers where short shorts either....I will leave that up to you Inigo
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Inigo Montoya ‎"If a conservative hates what he hears on the radio he changes the station. If a liberal hates what he hears on the radio he writes to the FCC demanding that they revoke the station's license."

No shorts on the wait staff, huh. Okay, whatever. So when I go to Hooters, I'll be very sure people like you aren't there?

And the ugly goth chicks with their agendas and their picket signs aren't going to get any closer than the sidewalk outside...mmm, hmmm. Yeah, that's why we celebrated my birthday there. Shorts on the waitresses didn't really have that much to do with it. Although it was a nice bonus. But it's good to get away from the people who need cheap gimmicks to "prove" they're nice people, by making rules for everybody else to follow.
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Inigo Montoya Founding Fathers wrote a special constitutional amendment guaranteeing that all free men could keep and bear arms...they clearly meant state-of-the-art devices that could be pointed at a fellow human being and cause his instant death, should the need arise.

Today's liberals claim to be preserving that heritage. But they balk at giving us "permission" to set our thermostats to 72 degrees, or going to restaurants where the waitresses expose their thighs. Beneath really thick nylon hose, might I add...

Taliban Snidely, Taliban Snidely. I suppose you have a problem with me drinking beer at that fine establishment, even when my girlfriend is driving me home.
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Joy Behar If I were James and you Inigo were a liberal, I would say all liberals are sexist. But since I am not James- but you are still Inigo- I will say you as an individual are a sexist scumbag.
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Joy Behar And no I dont get my news from comedy central, but yes I do get my comedy from fox news.
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Snidely Snerd So let's see...yesterday wonderful Glenn Beck compared the children that were massacred by the terrorist in Norway to "Nazi Hitler Youth". But of course the Tea Party is the true victim in all this right? Of course none of you will be outraged by this!!!
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Dennis Miller
I had to go to bed.

So to recap, Snidely thinks that since a single member of a group did something despicable, it was an act of the entire group, and then he hangs an AmGeorgean group on a peg to that one for good measure. But later claims innocence.

Then he insists that the Tea Party is a bunch of racists. Evidence? No black people at the rallies. But there are black people at the rallies, and they're not hanging out at the fringes being eyed suspiciously by all those racists, they're up there with microphones at the podiums being heartily cheered by all those alleged "racists".

Snidely's response? "Well I have some black friends, too". Which is less than weak, it's actually antithetical. It's no response at all, because he doesn't have one.

But he's got more evidence, and honest, he's tried to post the links but has somehow been blocked by the Evil James from posting links (but James still lets him post comments... even though I know of no facebook setting that would allow that kind of fine-grained access control.) He's even sent the links to myself and to Inigo, but oddly nothing has shown up in our inboxes.

BUT IF THEY DID, they would have been pictures of signs at Tea Party rallies of people with racist signs.

Now anybody who gets their news from anywhere but Comedy Central or Keith Olbermann probably remembers the "Crash the Tea Party" flap. So I post a link to an article that is a wrap up of the fraud inspired and perpetrated by "Think Progress" ... but that article contains "no evidence" (that Snidely will accept), so it can be dismissed.

Still, had we gotten the link that Snidely insists that he's sent and insists that the Evil James is keeping him from posting, we would have seen that sign with the "Known Tea Partier" (just as my article contained links to pictures of Known Tea Party Crashers with such signs) ... but my article is no evidence and his lack of article, of course, is Gospel. Jon Stewart said so.

Even at that, we can't be sure which Snidely actually believes - that one bad apple DOES spoil the whole bunch, girl --- or that one bad apple DON'T spoil the whole bunch, girl, because he's said both. Depending on whether or not agreeing with that particular bunch will gain him the kudos and lauds he so desperately needs from the rest of his herd.

So all of this is really a waste of time. I'd have more luck helping the allegedly racist Anita (as I said, I don't know her and I've only read accusations from people who clearly like tossing that word about rather carelessly at anyone they disagree with) than I would have helping Snidely. Because Snidely doesn't want to be helped. He is comfortable in his herd.

Besides, the price of leaving it is complete ostricization. Like most other cults.

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Joy Behar
Dennis, Snidely was not saying that all tea party individuals are racists, he is pointing out the hypocrisy constantly stated in James's posts. James takes secluded incidences and uses them to stereotype different groups, usually Muslims or Liberals. The main point we are making is, here in this original post, James claims that liberals will use the Norway attack to stereotype republicans when in actuality, it is him who CONSTANTLY stereotypes individuals. Must I go through Jamess post to prove this to you? I could easily find pictures of tea party racists signs but what would be the point? I believe a VERY VERY small number of tea party individuals dislike Muslims and minorities. But I also do believe if I hated Muslims or minorities and was politically active, I'd more than likely be a conservative...

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Snidely Snerd
I like how you make up stories, misinterpret, LIe, and distort. First of all..last night you said you received the link I sent you... now you claim you didn't. Fact is I can't post links on James's page..and could care less if you believe that or not. Now here is the BEST. The "I have black friends" was directed at you. Unlike you I don't feel the need to point out the race of my friends in order to seem less racist. The point was that it is an old argument that racists always use..."I can't be racist...some of my friends are black". Oh yeah and here is another lie...I never said James blocked me from posting links...I merely said I can't post links on his page and I assumed it was because I am not FB friends with him...nice job lying though

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Snidely Snerd but here is the best part...the Crash the Tea Party link..while that may have happened...the pictures on there web page aren't of any of these alleged incidents. You have shown your true colors Dennis...you are willing to LIE and horribly distort the truth to somehow make what you say seem valid
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Joy Behar I also like how having women parade around in skimpy outfits meant to be sex objects is considered "AmGeorgean", "Patriotic" I am completely against women being forced to a hijab but I am also against the way our culture treats women as objects, worth what they look like.
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Snidely Snerd Yes..and Inigo showed his true colors by the comment that he made to April. I am sure you felt very flattered right. Let me spell it out for you Inigo...what you said to April is a not so subtle way of letting her know what her purpose and place in society is...at least in your eyes
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Dennis Miller
Which is easier for someone who looks as good as you do to say, April. On the other hand, nobody holds a gun to these girls' heads and forces them to work at Hooters.

And, of course, since you abhor how our culture treats women as objects, I can see why you'd be a fain of Dainty Kaine, Brittany Spears, Shakira, and Lady Gaga. Because none of them do anything to exploit or promote that. Look at a Hooters girl, then look at the women on the covers of these albums.

Look deep inside. You're addicted to how saying such things makes you feel via the kudos you get from people who tell you they're smart, but you don't actually believe it yourself.

Come out into the open, where the air is fresh, and people are people, and we don't have to pretend to be who we're not. We are Spirits, in the Material World. We ARE sex objects. And we're a lot more. Denying it doesn't make it not so.

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Snidely Snerd Um...Dennis, you should probally take the recommended dosage the doctor prescribes you...or ask him to up the dose...cause it ain't working.
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Joy Behar
Dennis, yes those women are victims to sexism. Why do you think they dress the way they do? Why do you think women feel a desire to be sexually attractive? I agree with evolution, survival of the fittest, animal instincts too but I also believe we are intellectually superior enough to know when enough is enough. As for the artists, I would never ever let my daughter be exposed to that. Something my parents and many parents have failed to do. I assume if you have a daughter, you bring them with you to hooters, possibly buy her a t-shirt and get her picture taken with the other hooters girls. I have decided to unlike the bands, as you are correct, these are role models I would not desire on any women.

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Dennis Miller
So you're allowed to accuse me of being racist, but I am not allowed to present evidence to the contrary? Handy, that.

So Snidely, demonstrate that I have lied. That's another word you like throwing about rather liberally.

Is this a lie?

http://www.oregonlive.com/beaverton/index.ssf/2010/08/beavertons_crash_the_tea_party_teacher_resigns_as_his_dismissal_loomed.html

Is this a lie?

http://www.katu.com/news/90895144.html?skipthumb=Y

How about this AP Wire article?

http://www.newsmax.com/US/Crash-Tea-Party-Jason/2010/04/15/id/355889

Or this?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-04-16-crash-tea-party-activist_N.htm

Lies! Lies! All!

Fact. He started the site. Fact, agitators across the country who felt the same way took him up on it (I've run into them myself). The reason is that -- since the left couldn't find the racism at the rallies that they were certain was there, some of them decided to ... what's that word ... "LIE", yes, I believe it fits her -- by showing up and pretending to be one of us and saying things and holding signs that do not reflect the sentiment of the people there.


Beaverton's 'Crash the Tea Party' teacher resigns as his dismissal loomed
www.oregonlive.com
Beaverton School District internal investigation of Jason Levin's use of school resources leads to his resignation..

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Dennis Miller
April ... maybe you do believe what you say. But it's just an assertion of a theory, and I don't think it holds water.

Why do you think women feel a desire to be sexually attractive? Same reason I feel a desire to be sexually attractive. I'm a human being, and it flatters the ego. It also helps grease wheels. It may not be "fair". But it is nonetheless true.

Of course, this is where a bit of humility comes in handy to check your character. But I don't believe these ladies know the meaning of the word.

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Snidely Snerd
What did you lie about. 1. You said last night that you received the link I sent and commented on it...now you claim you never received it. 2. That I ever said Evil James blocked me from posting...I merely stated I am unable to...and maybe it was because I am not FB friends with him. 3. That I ever called you a racist...I merely pointed out that considering you felt the need to point our the anti-bush signs...if you were going to do the same thing for the racist Obama signs. Let's see your logic...their is tons of evidence out there of racism in the tea party! But yeah Michelle Bachman claiming blacks were better off during slavery is all part of a vast liberal conspiracy. So one person creates a website...and thus all evidence off the racism is this null and void? I know it is hard to keep track of lies when you lie as much as you do...but I am here to help you!

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Dennis Miller Oh, and speaking of lying:

"First of all..last night you said you received the link I sent you... now you claim you didn't. "

I said nothing of the sort. You can't show that I said anything of the sort. I've seen no links from you. I've gotten no private messages from you. You may have tried to send them and failed, but don't characterize your incompetence as me lying.
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Snidely Snerd Wow Dennis...you are a sad sad man. Typical republican behavior by you. So where did all your posts from last night go
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Snidely Snerd Btw Dennis..you do realize I have an email of every comment you made. You can delete them from FB but they are still in my inbox
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Snidely Snerd Dennis=pathetic
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Joy Behar http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=1440&bih=809&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=tea+party+signs+racist&oq=tea+party+signs+racist&aq=f&aqi&aql&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=34745l36048l0l36240l7l7l0l6l6l0l142l142l0.1l1
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Dennis Miller Snidely = Great at calling people names. Horrible at making arguments. Or posting links.

Ok, Snidely, I stand behind everything I've said. I really don't care what you have in your inbox.
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Dennis Miller Ok, April, explain to me how those signs are racist?
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Joy Behar It's besides the point but I had to show you how easy it is to find racist tea party signs. As I stated before, I do not think a majority of tea party people are racists however, the more and more I speak to them I do feel many have bigotry feelings towards Muslims. Not to mention most of their canidates have made hateful remarks towards them.
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Dennis Miller Um... April... what is racist about them?
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Joy Behar Dennis, if you cannot see then perhaps you feel teaparty people are not racists because you don't know what it means. You need to use empathy to understand. Imagine if you were muslim, black, etc. How would you feel?
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Joy Behar ‎"Monkey See, Monkey Spend", "Impeach the Muslim Marxists" (Not bad to be called a Muslim but it was said as an insult), "Cap Congress and Trade Obama back to Kenya", "Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot" I could go on but apparently you think racist comments are only what you find offensive. So perhaps I would find you racists. Do you think it is okay tell Obama to go back to Kenya??
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Snidely Snerd Really Dennis...you stand by what you say by erasing it. Guess that is how the tea party does things....but of course it is my fault when you do pathetic things like that for calling you pathetic!
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Dennis Miller
You found pictures of anti-Obama signs.

I see one that is a bit tasteless so far. Racist is a stretch. Second, Muslim is not a race. (And guess what? I have Muslim friends, too.)

Looking further through lots of signs that I could easily find equivalent references to Bush or Cheney ....

The Misspelled one about a "Muslin" -- way over the top, and likely a crasher. The link to the one with the misspelled "N" Word comes from an article about ... guess what? Crashers.

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2010/07/tea-party-leader-naacp-is-lying-about.html

Huh.

Joe. My. God.: Tea Party Leader: The NAACP Is Lying About Teabagger Racism
joemygod.blogspot.com

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Joy Behar My point was not to say that tea party people are racist, it was to point out that individuals make bad choices and we must not blame the whole group for this. Unless it is a tea party's policy is to eliminate, single out Muslims or any other race, culture, sex, religions, etc. I have no problem with them. As for the link, its a blog spot...
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Snidely Snerd And yet Dennis makes our point for us again... The man with the sign with the "N" word is a known member of the tea party. But of course it is a liberal conspiracy
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Joy Behar What do your Muslim friends think about blaming all Muslims for acts done by the Taliban?? Do you have this conversation with them, my guess is you would keep your bigotry to your non Muslim friends who agree with you.
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Dennis Miller They think the same thing I think. That it is wrong.
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Joy Behar As for the pictures, it's Google, yes there is a large mix of signs that just dislike Obama, I have no problem with this. However, it wasn't long ago when I spoke out against President Bush and some conservatives quickly attacked me for being unpatriotic, not supporting the presidents, etc.
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Dennis Miller The man holding the "N" sign -- Dale Robertson, was kicked out of that event precisely BECAUSE of that sign.
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Joy Behar You don't need to justify the signs, as I said that was not my point. My point. I'll spare you from hearing it again as I am sure you understand.
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Dennis Miller
‎"However, it wasn't long ago when I spoke out against President Bush and some conservatives quickly attacked me for being unpatriotic, not supporting the presidents, etc."

And they are allowed to do that.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

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Dennis Miller Your point is that some racists show up to Tea Party events? Ok. And you infer from that ... what, exactly?
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Joy Behar Exactly, just pointing out hypocrisy. Not against political protests a bit. Not sure I can say the same for others here though...
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Dennis Miller
Well, I must admit, when I jumped in here the first thing I saw was another lefty apparently inferring that the tea party was a bunch of dangerous, potential terrorists. I am telling you nothing could be further from the truth. Then he went on to the big "R" word, the Go-To "argument" for the left.

Now ... perhaps James thinks "all Muslims" are responsible for Islamist Terrorsim. Maybe he does. I don't know James. Perhaps Snidely was going for irony as he later said, and I misinterpreted. But he is clearly prone to that line of thinking from his other comments.

I will say this. I would like to see it more roundly condemned by more than the few brave Muslims who will stand up and do it.

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Joy Behar
No Dennis, you obviously don't get my point. My point is don't be a bigot. I don't think the entire tea party group should be blamed by those who made those prejudice signs, nor do I think it is right to label all Muslims as terrorists, all liberals as barbaric, uncivilized, etc. Look at James's post of the hanging of the little boy by the Taliban, he clearly feels ALL Muslims are to blame. And it seems a few of his friends also feel this way about the Muslim community, my reason for calling them all bigots.

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Joy Behar That is why I said you must know the relationship we have with James to truly understand where we are coming from.
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Dennis Miller
Ok, I looked at the thread about the hanging.

James said "the Taliban is evil." He said nothing about "all Muslims". He did say too many Muslims condone this kind of thing. That is an opinion. I, personally would say that one is too many, and that number is a crazy lowball by anyone's standards.

You seem to be under the impression that anyone who makes any connection between Islam and brutality equates to condmning all Muslims.

Here's a newsflash. There is a group of Muslims who believe that it is their fate, their duty to spread Islam through the entire world by force if necessary. They're not using relgion as an excuse for a power grab, the power grab IS religion. As seen in that story, it is often Muslims who suffer from these peoples' draconian designs. We in the West are on the fringes of this. But we need to pay attention to it.

Because (I'll use lowball figures) even if 95% of Muslims are not Islamists, that's 60 Million people who are. That's a lot of people who want us to submit or die, and feel it is their duty to make it happen or die trying.

I'll use the words of one of my Muslim friends' [then] teenage daughter:

"Mom, I know not all Muslims are terrorists. But it sure seems like most terrorists are Muslim."

I didn't say it. She did. And her mother relayed it to me. She wasn't condemning all Muslims. I'm certainly not. And so far, I have seen no reason to believe James is.

Several Norweigan newspaper reports stated that Abu Suleiman al-Nasser of the group 'Helpers of Global Jihad' claimed responsibility for the attack early on.

Never mind that there are hundreds, if not thousands of groups with names like this, and by Jihand they clearly don't mean "internal struggle".

Now I ask you. When a supposed "Christian" engages in such an attack, do you ever see Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Hopi, Wiccan -- whatever -- groups stepping up and falsely claiming responsibility? No you don't. They all roundly condemn the act.

What does it say when the thought is, "well, maybe we didn't actually do it, but we sure want people to THINK we did!"? In some ways that's worse than actually doing it. Not only did the group WISH it, but they lied about doing it even when they didn't.

Allow some balance into your thought process. There are serious issues to address, and knee-jerk name calling ain't gonna get it done.

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Joy Behar
You too say 1 Muslim condoning the Taliban acts is too many. Then would you say that 1 Christian condoning the Norway killers act or Hitler’s acts (which he had many known Christian followers) is enough to label the entire group for this wrong doing? Why must a Muslim defend themselves when another Muslim does wrong, why must a Christian, why must a white? Why must a black? Frankly I am sick of people expecting me to explain the Hispanic population faults as if I have some inside tip on why Mexicans come to the US to work, why Hispanics have so many kids, why Hispanics don’t learn English!

The point is James, Cab, and Anita seem to think it is okay to stereotype the entire Muslim religion but do not think it is okay to do the same to Christians. The double standard is obvious. Just because they dislike Muslims, doesn’t mean you hold that group and judge them differently than you would other groups you do agree with.

Newsflash: There are groups of Christians, who think it is their fate to eliminate all non Christians. You are doing exactly what James and his other bigot friends do. Attempt to find any reason to justify disliking another religion more than yours. It may make you feel better but for open minded people, or ones willing to do a little research, it won’t work.

I am fine with you thinking it is okay saying that not all Muslims are terrorist, but it seems most terrorists are Muslim (I could find many examples of non Muslim terrorist however), as long as you are okay with my belief, not all tea party people are racists, but all politically active racists seem to be tea party followers.

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Joy Behar Islamic religion. Sorry
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Joy Behar ‎George Clooney how'd you like that 189 posts of entertainment?
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Dennis Miller
‎"You too say 1 Muslim condoning the Taliban acts is too many."

Yes I do.

"Then would you say that 1 Christian condoning the Norway killers act or Hitler’s act ..." Whoah, woah, hit the brakes, lady.

I would say that 1 Christian condoning the Norway Killers' or Hitlers Acts was too many, yes -- absolutely. But I never even came close to implying that it justified the labeling of all of any group, anything!

I also said that I hadn't seen any evidence that James was doing this, at least not with the post poor little Muslim boy hanged by the Evil Taliban.

I challenge your assertion. Where is a group of Christians who think it is their fate to eliminate all non-Christians? And even if you can find me one, what, in any Christian teaching outside of maybe a few tiny cults ... justifies this thought?

60 Million vs, what, I'll be generous and say 5,000 people (and I challenge you to find five).

When 19 of those 60 million (supported by many more, no doubt) pulled off the biggest terrorist attack on the planet, there were more Muslims who had nothing to do with the attack dancing in the streets over it than you can find me total Christians on the Planet who even think all non-Christians should be eliminated. Like I said, I challenge you to find me five of them.

When a supposed Christian (who again cannot use anything in any recognizable strain of Christianity to justify his act) commits an act of violence like this, do you see Christians dancing in the street ... ANYWHERE?

No you do not. They're out roundly condemning the act.

You expect me to find this equivalent? I refuse to.

I also assert that, and there is plenty of evidence for it just in this thread, your notion of what constitutes racism is overdefined. Yes, I will acknowledge that there are racists in any large, self-selecting group. I have demonstrated that the group dynamics of the tea party is to expunge such people from the group if they tip their hand and we find out about them, and that we as a group have no problem with anyone of any race in our midst, or indeed holding the microphone and speaking up at the podium.

You mistake adherence to the PC narrative for having an open mind. An open mind means acknowledgement of facts, asking honest questions about them, and weighing their significance as well as their relevance.

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Dennis Miller It does NOT mean the avoidance of coming to unpleasant or inconvenient conclusions.
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Joy Behar
I apologize; I hadn't realized that James, Cab, and Anita actually like Muslims.

It is not the job of the innocent Muslim population to speak out against these crimes as if they are responsible, and frankly if I were among those living in the Middle East, I would fear to speak out. The Taliban is evil, they have no mercy, they have killed children, I would fear for my own children's lives, not getting the word out that I don't condone the Taliban.

As for a group looking to rid all other religions: http://listverse.com/2010/02/23/10-people-who-give-christianity-a-bad-name/
It is beside the point. I don't stereotype as you seem to find so easy to justify.

When a Christian commits a hideous act, most scurry to find reason to say they really aren’t Christian at all.

What exactly do I need to prove to you now? Basically what I am saying is that it is not right to stereotype groups. James believes it is not right to stereotype Christians and blame them for the actions of others, but it is okay to do to Muslims because we should fear them because their religion fosters hate. I could say the same thing about Christianity…

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Joy Behar I am done now. None of us will change our minds, James will never answer my question of whether or not we can blame Christians for the holocaust. James, Cab, Anita and Dennis will always think their dislike of the Islamic religion is justifiable and ethically sound, and I will always think that being hateful is wrong.
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Dennis Miller
‎"It is not the job of the innocent Muslim population to speak out against these crimes as if they are responsible," -- Uh, yeah it IS. When crimes are committed in your name, and you disagree with those crimes, you let it be known that you disagree. Silence is consent.

Ok, saw your link. 10 whackos, to be sure. But I see exactly one person who fits my description. Oops. Almost. The Church he founded: Creativity is a non-theistic, ethnocentric religion founded in 1973 by Ben Klassen with the publication of the book Nature's Eternal Religion and was later expounded upon in the books The White Man's Bible, and Salubrious Living. Creativity is known for being "anti-Semitic, racist and...anti-Christian".

In other words... Not Christian, even by his own standards.

Here's the deal. I'm not trying to "win" an argument for my self-gratification here. And I don't think I'm going to change your mind, either. Not today. But I am actually trying to help you. If I've even gotten you to question your beliefs, your assumptions (the very definition of an open mind) -- then I have done a good thing.

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Joy Behar
Oh my gosh Dennis, you have enlightened me, Muslims are evil and I have every right to hate everyone of them... oh wait, my sanity is coming back...nice try. Okay, I am waiting for the apology of the Christian community for the holocaust, for the Norway shooting, for abortion clinic bombings, for having abortions, kkk rallies, MNCA, NLFT, David McMenemy actions, George Rudolph actions, ... until then, I have every right to say Christians are scum because they all (yes every single Christian) has not come out to say that these Christians acted wrongly and that they take full responsibility.... See I liked my theory better where we blamed only those responsible and could still love everyone else. Guess I have to get use to this hate thing. SERIOUSLY I AM DONE.

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Dennis Miller
Wow, I have enlightened you with a bunch of things that I not only did NOT say, but in fact explicitly stated the opposite. Quite the negator machine you've got going there. This is what I mean by a closed mind. It doesn't matter to you what I say -- the fact that any of it challenges your beliefs means I must be evil and I must believe exactly the opposite of what you do. Gah! I HAVE failed!

Um, the REAL Christian World STOPPED the Holocaust, and punished it's perpetrators. Using that "War" thing, that isn't good for anything. Except for stopping Nazism, Fascism, and Slavery. And Genocide. So you say there are people who claimed to be Christian who supported the Nazis (actually, a lot of AmGeorgean Progressives supported the Nazis, but I digress). Did they support the Nazis in the name of Christianity, or Nazism which was anti-Christian? Or did they just support it to keep from being killed like their Jewish neighbors?

" and I will always think that being hateful is wrong."

Is it wrong to hate the hateful? Now there's a question to ponder.

So you go through life non-judgmentally judging people by a Dennisosophy as fuzzily defined as "hatefulness is wrong". Only you get to define what is "hateful" and what is not.

It's only slightly more meaningful than "Hope" or "Change".

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Dennis Miller Oh. One last thing. On the Holocaust being perpetrated by "not one Christian, but many."

Really?

Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, noted:
"The Fuhrer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed."
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Dennis Miller Snidely, since you insist on calling me a liar, would you please re-post whatever it is I posted that you say I deleted? Keeping in mind that this goes to everyone ELSE's inbox as well.

Either you yourself are a liar, or you are willing to call me one over your own misreading of something else I said. Which is in the end, the same thing, so the distinction is moot.
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Dennis Miller April, now that I've had a chance to go back and read EVERYTHING, if Anita actually said that* (and I don't have any reason to believe she didn't -- I have not gotten the impression that you make things up out of whole cloth like ... some OTHER people around here), then I vehemently disagree with her on several levels ... not the least of which is that Obama is most definitely NOT a Muslim. Or a Christian. He's a Progressive Secular Humanist. And I don't give a rodent's behind what color he is or from what continent his ancestors hail.

She [Anita] could use some help.

I think I found the comment Snidely must have misinterpreted to mean that I'd gotten anything from him.

I had commented "Yeah, so do I. Because ... if we were a bunch of racists -- why would we have them, and why would they have us?"

But I was responding to his comment:

"ah yes...we have black tea party members...always love that argument"

Chronology gets lost in hot threads. Still, his insistence on calling me a liar over his misinterpretation is telling.
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*"HE'S MUSLIM IS SHE FIGHTING ABOUT THE FACT HE'S MORE ALIGNED WITH HIS MUSLIM BROTHERS LIVING IN THE MIDDLE EAST THAN HIS 100% WHITE MOTHER? HALF WHITE HALF WHITE HALF WHITE SHUT HER UP! HE'S MUSLIM NOT African AmGeorgean...I THINK YOUR INSULTING THE WHITE RACE BY NOT ACKNOWLEDGING HIS MOTHER WHO BIRTHED HIM...WHITE" - Anita